Guys, Verizon wants you to know that their network has never been stronger. They also want you to know that their network is super fast, that they win awards because of it, and that their unlimited data plan is awesome and certainly would never slow down their network or cause your experience on it to be shitty. With that in mind – because again, their network is stronger than ever and so super duper fast and stable and awesome and would never need help from struggling because, man, there is no struggle here – they are pushing out new unlimited data plans that are throttled to hell and back during video streams.
I know a number of you have heard the news already, but Verizon wasn’t up for sharing that information with us until a few minutes ago. So yeah, let’s talk about the new Verizon Unlimited plans!
Starting tomorrow, August 23, Verizon is introducing three unlimited plans: Go Unlimited, Beyond Unlimited, and Business Unlimited. They’ll also still sell a Prepaid Unlimited plan.
All of the plans include unlimited 4G LTE data, along with unlimited talk and text. With Go Unlimited, the differences arrives via the price, the fact that all video streaming is throttled to DVD quality (480p), and hotspot data that is always throttled to 600Kbps. With Beyond Unlimited, you get HD quality streaming (720p), 15GB of 4G LTE hotspot, and calling, texting, and data in Mexico and Canada. If you want to know the Business Unlimited details, you’ll find those in the image below.
UPDATE: OK, I lied, there are some other sneaky things here to be aware of. On Go Unlimited, Verizon is reserving the right to throttle your general data usage at any time, should you run into “times of congestion.” For Beyond Unlimited, that type of throttling of general data usage starts at 22GB of use in a billing cycle (or 25GB with a 2-year contract).
Go Unlimited costs $75 for 1 line, but you’ll see discounts depending on lines you add on. Beyond Unlimited starts at $85 for 1 line and also offers discounts as you add more.
I know what you are probably thinking – are they really throttling all video at all times, even the Beyond Unlimited plan? The answer is: YES. And only at 720p. Your QHD phone will never play a 4K video stream going forward on Verizon’s network. It won’t even play a 1080p stream. If you have a tablet on Verizon’s network and one of these plans, you could get up to 1080p.
So much for “just testing,” eh Verizon?
Here’s the other thing – this also affects those of you on legacy unlimited plans. According to Verizon, “moving forward, HD video on all legacy plans will also match Beyond Unlimited’s HD quality.” If you are on Verizon Unlimited, you’ll start seeing throttled 720p video as early as tomorrow. There is no opt-out or buy-up either.
If you were looking for one bonus, that’ll come via the extra 5GB of hotspot data that your Verizon Unlimited plan now has. Yep, they are bumping you up to 15GB per month of 4G LTE hotspot.
But again, Verizon’s network is so good that you should never ever worry about your experience. ????
UPDATE 8/23: Now that the plans are live, here are some additional notes.
- Employer discounts don’t apply here either, just like they didn’t with the original Verizon Unlimited plan. This is what Verizon’s FAQ says on the matter:
Beyond Unlimited is a great value, and even though it’s not eligible for your employer discount or corporate plan discount, you can still take advantage of any other benefits your employer’s program offers with Verizon Wireless.
As we find more, we’ll update this post.
// Verizon
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249 responses to “Verizon Introduces New Unlimited Plans, Will Throttle Their Video and Your Old Plan’s Too”
Don’t know if they changed their minds, but I’m on a legacy plan and I’m at 29GB for the month and I just watched a 1080p and 1440p video on the network.
Just an FYI in case this hasnt been mentioned – even ‘limited’ data plans (S, M, L) will be limited to 720p. I heard this from a VZW Customer Service Rep yesterday. I am on an older legacy 6GB plan (Long live the 2yr contract and not buying phones out right!) and was considering T-Mobile or the 8GB Large plan on Verizon recently to save money (but paying extra for the phone each month…). Now, if I change our family plan they will restrict my streaming. Current customers beware!
What about grandfathered unlimited data?
Hello, I’ve had an open line with Verizon since they were 360 communications, so 20+ years and this is probably the end…does anyone live in North Carolina and know if T-Mobil works in most of it, i travel the whole state working and have kids at school at App State and ECU. Need to know if they have service in and around these areas…Thanks in advance
T-Mo is solid in and around Charlotte, Greensboro and RDU, but it does horribly in the western part of the state and more rural areas. I have not been to the coast enough but I know AT&T stomped even VZW in OBX coverage when I was there last year. I too have been with VZW for almost 20 years (Bell Atlantic Mobile) and this has me dangerously close to leaving as well.
Thanks, yea i live in stokesdale which is about 10 15 minutes from Greensboro, i have a son at App and i travel alot is the main reason im interested….im ready to move on but need coverage…..g whiz
Dumb question, but is this going to affect all plans? I have the Verizon XXL Place (24 GB/month) and I signed up for it over a year ago. Will the video for that plan be throttled?
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I was thinking about changing to an unlimited plan from our 30GB shared plan, would save a little…but not now. I’ll just stick with the 30GB, which is plenty for us, and still streaming at 1440p if I want to.
Also, i’m paying $86 a month after fees and taxes for unlimited on 1 line. If i do 2 for me and another family member ($80 per line) does anyone know if that’ll include taxes and fees? might try to save a little bit and get some extra features. Current plan is Unlimited data, 450 minutes, unlimited text. No tethering and no Verizon up.
so we only get throttled after the cap, and anytime there is congestion, or is it always going to play 720p all the time? not sure if i can handle that. Just watched the Blade Runner 2049 trailer on the network, and the pixelation was driving me nuts.
I’m done with the constant bait and switch. Verizon holds the customer in contempt, and thinks they are morons. Much like Apple. Bye Verizon come November it’s been an instructive 7 years.
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What they’re doing to the previous unlimited customers is EXACTLY why I got off their network a couple of years ago. People want unlimited data. They have apparently admitted that after trying for years to bully people to get off their unlimited plans. Now they treat the customers who have jumped through hoops for years like garbage by throttling them down to 720p video quality? This is why I hate them.
I wish verizon would cut the bull**** already. Set a price for your product and leave it at that. Don’t offer unlimited with restrictions. How about you offer pure unlimited for a higher price and restricted unlimited to customers for a lower price.
Do they still charge line access fees?
My grandfathered unlimited data plan still streams at 1080p. What about everyone else?
Mine too. We’ll see if it lasts.
Checking with YouTube? Is there an app?
I checked with YouTube and streamed videos at 1080p.
So my question is this affecting ALL legacy unlimited plans all the way back to the oldest unlimited plans? And also the previous unlimited from a few months ago? I went from the old 700 minutes unlimited to the new unlimited thinking it was a good deal. Now people who signed up for the previous unlimited deal are getting screwed?
All are throttled, including the gUDP.
Verizon has been hemorrhaging customers to Tmobile over the past few years and moves like this are one of the biggest reasons. I left Verizon because of the “fees”, every month my bill was drastically different due to random fees.
I dumped Verizon years ago for Cricket. Best move I ever made.
AT&T Life
So…for an extra $5/mo, I can subscribe to Linode or Digital Ocean, and VPN my traffic through there at full speed to avoid this – absolutely.
Since this constitutes a material adverse effect on the existing contract (for customers on gUDP and the unlimited plans that went away yesterday), if under contract, shouldn’t VZW allow cancellation without ETF? Per the VZW chat rep: “Verizon: The contact number for which you can contact to make a complaint is 800-417-3849.”
thanks.
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Let VZW hear how you feel.
Contact: Tami Erwin, Executive Vice President – Wireless Operations
http://www.verizon.com/about/our-company/leader/contact/775805
sent the following!
You advertised, on tv, on the net that you were offering unlimited internet and specifically talked about not throttling video as sprint and tmobile were doing at the time. You had people buy new phones, probably on payment plans for 2 years, this was like in February. Now you do exactly what you specifically stated you wouldn’t do, now these people have switched service , bought new phones they wouldn’t of needed and probably in debt to you for another 15 months. I find this to be disgusting, dishonest from a company of your size, if not illegal. I like my service and its a pain to switch so i dont plan on canceling but as i said its a pain to switch you enticed people to switch with a lie, and now you know you have them stuck until February of 2019 due to device payment plans, or contracts with that free 20 dollar tablet they got talked into. This is the most dishonest thing i have seen a company do in recent times, pretty sad, go read droid-life look for droid 1967 you will see how many times i have stuck up for Verizon with their hating, not anymore and its repairable! Hope you sleep good at night!
Hello, I’ve had an open line with Verizon since they were 360 communications, so 20+ years and this is probably the end…does anyone live in North Carolina and know if T-Mobil works in most of it, i travel the whole state working and have kids at school at App State and ECU. Need to know if they have service in and around these areas…Thanks in advance
Wouldn’t running a vpn get around all these limitations? I mean, I’d just leave Verizon if it was an option and I used them but if you were stuck couldn’t you do that?
Yes, should be immune from their deep packet inspection.
It also depends on the VPN. Netflix, Hulu and other major services tend to block them once they get noticed. This causes the VPN provides to have to keep “hopping around” to other servers/ip addresses. For the casual user, this can be a pain. One of the main reasons they do this is to keep users who are out of a region from accessing regional content. Ex. watching US Hulu content from Australia through a VPN server in the US.
I have a 2gb plan and the safety data enabled. So as long as I can PokΓ©mon go for cheap I’m happy (my 2Β’)
10GB or 15GB w/2-year contract? I thought that the industry was weening away from contracts?
No, they are going away from device subsidies tied to contracts. They still would be delighted to lock you in for 2 years if it doesn’t involve discounting hardware.
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So glad I switched to project fi nearly two years ago. Though I don’t stream much video or use much data. So for me it’s probably easily half the price of what vzw would be. I wonder if things will get worse after net neutrality is completely dead or if they are just celebrating early with some of this.
So my question is, if I am connected to a VPN such as PIA they won’t know what I am doing on their network so it won’t be throttled, does anyone else agree here?
With this stupid change, did they at least bring back discounts on “Unlimited – with Limited Streaming” plans?
Get ready for T-Mobile to jump on this.
T-Mobile doesn’t need to; they have more than enough people trapped behind Binge On without being aware of it. I was one of those people at one point before I discovered that it was enabled on my account, even though my account predated Binge On.
Verizon is well aware that few customers will put up with T-Mobile’s dismal coverage just to save a few bucks.
I’ve been resisting T-Mobile for some time for that reason. They’ve increased their coverage dramatically over the last few years and my arguments in favor of Verizon are about gone.
I really can’t stand T-Mo, if nothing else my dislike of Legere. Although they’ll still trail VZW and ATT as far as network reach, once their 600mHZ band full launches they will greatly close the gap and that gap will only really matter to people who routinely travel away from bigger cities, major road systems.
You’re right I won’t jump ship anytime soon, but T-mo ship is getting more and more appealing.
If it’s 720p for grandfathered phones but 1080p for tablets, is it a simple build.prop edit to get back to1080p?
As long as they dont report my dog porn to feds
Hi guys,
I am on a grandfathered UDP with unlimited txt and 450 peak minutes, and am wondering if I should (1) stay on my current plan or (2) switch over to the “Unlimited” plan currently offered before the new “unlimited” plan comes out tomorrow?
Would be great to hear what people think who are in the know of this stuff.
If you do, you’ll be subject to throttling at 22 gigs, whereas now you are not throttled. You will also gain 15 GB hot spot though, which is nice. Not to mention not having to pay full price for phones! If I were you and I didn’t often go past 22 gigs, I would switch!
Thanks for your reply, Tyler. At the moment I use about 10GB of data, but my thought is that as 5G comes out and apps use more and more data, I feel like the 10GB of data will increase (I’m sure VZW recognizes this also hence their plan change).
A few follow up questions:
1) Isn’t the 15GB of hot spot tethering part of the 22GB allocation before throttling?
2) I’ve heard anecdotally that people going over 22GB aren’t really getting throttled but maybe that’s location-dependent (I’m in NYC-metro area).
Any other thoughts from folks?
As far as I know the 15 GB of Hotspot data is separate from the 22 but don’t quote me on that. You may be better off Googling or going to Verizon direct. I will say that I have gone over 22 GB on multiple occasions and I don’t really notice any massive decrease in speed or anything that would prevent me from doing my day today web surfing. I hope this helps you, Jay. I know all of this is confusing! Let me know if you have anymore questions!
I agree Tyler, but it does depend on your situation and usage. If you live in a congested area, likely you’re going to connect to towers that get congested and as Tyler suggested subject to “de-prioritization”.
If you routinely use 22+GB/month, you’ll likely benefit staying on UDP.
Other reasons to consider switching to new unlimited in addition to what Tyler mentions would be overall lower cost, which it should be if you’re paying the $49.99/mo data access charge and 2) you don’t have any subsidized phones on your plan still on contract.
Another thought if you travel. The new unlimited plan also includes Mexico and Canada, so no roaming. And if you travel to other countries, you can get the Travel Pass, which gives you 24 hours of roaming for $10 per 24 hour period. So say you travel to Japan for a week. Rather than buying a prepaid sim in Japan, you can use your Verizon service for $70 and there is no additional roaming charges since the roaming just comes out of your monthly allowances. The Travel Pass is not available to the legacy grandfathered plans. If I had switched a month earlier, I could have saved $100 when the four of us traveled to Canada.
I don’t travel internationally that much (sadly), but if I do, I’m perfectly okay with buying a local SIM card.
What it comes down to in a nutshell is “true” unlimited data (unthrottled) but with 450 peak talk mins and no hotspot ($30 add’l) in my current Grandfathered UDP plan vs. the current “unlimited” plan that deprioritizes after 22GB but includes 15GB of hotspot and unlimited talk time.
From what I understand, even with the legacy UDP, video streams will be throttled. From my perspective, deprioritization after 22 GB isn’t a big issue since in the past I have never gone past 22 GB on any of my lines. I had 1400 minutes and never gone over either, so unlimited talk was never a deciding factor either. A plus is the hotspot, since Android N basically disabled FoxFi.
What really hurts me is with the new unlimited, since corporate discounts do not apply, my bill has gone up $35 a month.
If the video throttling is coming to all, i might as well just keep the legacy UDP until we upgrade phones (which don’t allow hotspot on legacy UDP) and have to jump to beyond unlimited to keep using hotspot. currently using a moto x pure 2015 which allows me to use hotspot.
Unfortunately someone is going to jump in the comments defending Verizon. I’m thankful that T-mobile has awesome coverage in my area(Atl suburbs).
I’m on the original legacy unlimited plan. Should I switch to the current one before this takes affect? While I still have a choice technically…
If you do, you’ll be subject to throttling at 22 gigs, whereas now you are not throttled. You will also gain 15 GB hot spot though, which is nice. Not to mention not having to pay full price for phones!
How do they determine Phone vs Tablet? Different SIMs, or by the type of device?
I am currently on a 2 line Nationwide Talk Share 700 minute plan with grandfathered UDP. I pay $160.96 before taxes. What is the best move for me? Should i stay where i am? Should i upgrade to current Unlimited plan before the end of the day? Should i wait to get on the Beyond?
Switching would be $110 per month for two lines with unlimited data, text and minutes. That would save you $51 per month. $61 if you opt for autopay from your checking account or debit card.
What plan is $110 for two lines? I can’t find it on the verizon website..
I think you aren’t including line access which is $40.
Any Way to get around it with a VPN? Today I noticed that Netflix was streaming with a very poor quality, so apparently they started today with my account
This is retarded, this kills all the favor they earned by bringing back unlimited. Now we not only have to consider if we want unlimited we have to worry about if we are the red-headed stepchildren of unlimited and going to get prioritized in speed? I dont use much data, maybe 5gb a month, but what I DO use I dont want ANY throttling. If I dont go for an unlimited plan and keep a 5gb plan do they ever throttle my 5gb? I need it for a hotspot sometimes and 600 is NOT going to cut it
This is retarded, this kills all the favor they earned by bringing back unlimited. Now we not only have to consider if we want unlimited we have to worry about if we are the red-headed stepchildren of unlimited and going to get prioritized in speed? I dont use much data, maybe 5gb a month, but what I DO use I dont want ANY throttling. If I dont go for an unlimited plan and keep a 5gb plan do they ever throttle my 5gb? I need it for a hotspot sometimes and 600 is NOT going to cut it
Look at this BS lol, this is why when the new “Unlimited” came out I didn’t jump to it. I still have the legacy UDP and even though i’m paying an extra 9 dollars….I can avoid this foolishness. Verizon truly is greedy, I agree with capitalism but this is ridiculous.
Except you are not avoiding the throttling. It’s coming to all plans…current and legacy.
Lol, I just left Verizon for T-Mobile 4 days ago. I already felt like we were being “prioritized” or “throttled” even before hitting our 22gb limit. We noticed a significant drop in speed when we changed from our grandfathered plan to the new one, and now this!? This decision is looking better and better by the minute, not to mention I’m saving $90/month and getting my phones paid off!!
Likewise! I am saving$900+ year even with bring your own phones!
Yeah, I’m going to be checking out T-Mobile again. We bought our Note 7’s last year with the option to exchange for a new device after 1 year and then after the recall they rolled back those offers so now we no longer have this option. When the Note 8 is released if they don’t allow us to switch out, which again they had offered prior to the recall and they also offered on the S7 edge we had while waiting for the ‘better’ note 7’s, then I’m going to be seriously considering giving them an ultimatum.
If Tmobile has decent coverage in your area, it’s a no brainer. I switched years ago out here in San Diego and have consistently had better coverage and speed than any of my friends on Verizon (or any other service) especially during crowded events. I realize Tmobile isnt the answer everywhere, but the money I’ve saved to have better service has been pretty significant.
I’ve gone back and forth as our area doesn’t have the greatest T-mobile coverage and we do travel a fair amount. That being said, most places I’ve been would allow for at least 720p streaming on T-mobile so I have to ask. Why pay more for 720p streaming on Verizon if 90%+ of the time I could get that with T-Mobile and save hundreds of dollars a year?
Did you know that switching to Geico could save you 15% on your car insurance? lol
Pretty sure they have been throttling for years. When my contract is up, I’m probably out.
Can you use a VPN to bypass video streaming throttling?
“Beyond” users’ data will also take priority over “Go” users at times when Verizon’s network is congested.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/08/22/new-unlimited-battle-verizon-revamps-unlimited-plans-two-new-options/586039001/
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“Unlimited 4G LTE data, but you could experience reduced speeds if the network is congested at all times. Not after 10GB or 15GB or 20GB or 22GB of full-speed data usage. If the network is congested where you are, you might get slowed down β even at the very beginning of your billing cycle.”
ALL CUSTOMERS ARE GETTING MOVED OVER TO THROTTLED VIDEO.
“This is whatβs likely going to enrage Verizon customers most. No matter what plan youβre on β whether itβs the old, grandfathered unlimited data plan or a tiered plan or the new unlimited plan β Verizon is taking a tighter grip over video streaming. βMoving forward, HD video on all legacy plans will also match Beyond Unlimitedβs HD quality.β
https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/22/16181362/verizon-new-unlimited-data-plan-video-throttling-net-neutrality
I just switched from Verizon after 25+ years to T-MOBILE on their 55 plus unlimited plan for $60 a month for 2 lines. True, I only get 480 down for video viewing which is okay for me on a phone since I only watch short snippets of YouTube or whatever. However for $10 more I can get full HD and 10 gb tethering at full LTE speed at $70 per month for both lines. This suits us just fine!
My Dad called me about this plan the other day. We’ve been on Verizon for at least 15 years, but it may be time to cut the cord. How has your experience been overall and how long have you been with them?
I have been with TMO from day one when they announced the plan I believe around August 9th. My spouse drove through three states and one state Vermont which has sporadic connectivity even with Verizon and had no problems. Do your homework first: we first checked any possible locations we visit during a year and most coverage was available like Verizon. We plan on visiting Europe soon so I know T-Mobile won’t be an issue there. We also have many friends in Canada and connectivity is not an issue there like Verizon and like Verizon includes calls to and from Canada. Switching to T-Mobile was a win-win situation. Again, Verizon can’t compete with the pricing or even speeds at this point.
Thanks for the info. I am in southern California, Los Angeles area to be specific so I really shouldn’t have any problems with whichever provider I go with, but you just never know what you’ll run into.
So I was told that as long as you have the new unlimited plan none of this affects you. Only if you sign up after today. But your hotspot will go up to 15gigs instead of 10. This was talking to a Verizon rep at the store.
I would totally be OK with this if they were restricting streaming to 1080p. I have no need for 4k on my phone. Verizon says that there is no visible difference between 720p and 1080p on a 5.5 inch phone. That *may* be true (though they don’t provide any sort of evidence to back this up) but screen sizes are getting bigger and bigger so I’m sure it will for those folks. Obviously Verizon isn’t providing the best network if said network can’t handle the majority of thier customers streaming anything over 720p.
Well wow, never thought I’d see the day I would be ready to leave verizon. And I’m sure the dismantling of net neutrality played a big part in this.
1) screen size justifications: yes, 5.5 inch screens are small, but there IS a difference, and especially at close range (say… on a phone…). 2) Grandfathered customers who rolled to new plan: I know you guys are probably PISSED, but bear in mind that these throttles would have applied to you as well 3) Timing of the change: This truly looks like an “uh-oh, we screwed up” backpedal by VZW. It would appear their “super fast, coverage anywhere” distinction got blasted by the unlimited plans. T-Mo and Sprint are winning this one. Unsure about ATT
How is Sprint winning anything?
Slowly and (fairly) silently, Sprint has been investing in broader, faster coverage. Look it up. T-Mo has been doing a similar thing, just crowing louder about it. Further, T-Mo has been crowing about (some) items that aren’t necessarily gonna be better for their customers, but look good on paper. See: 600 Mhz spectrum purchase. Sprint has been slowly investing their money the old fashioned way, purchasing existing towers and bandwidth in current spectra. Depending on where you are, they have equal if not better coverage/speeds than VZ/ATT. In many areas it’s worse- but it ain’t THAT much worse. Coupled with the least restrictive unlimited plan out there? At the best price? #WINNING.
What? Sprint sold off some of their towers and is leasing them back due to stupidity. http://newsroom.sprint.com/sprint-signs-22-billion-deal-for-the-sale-and-lease-back-of-certain-existing-network-assets.htm
I hate all the hate.
This ISNT FIBER OR COAX. There is only so much limited bandwidth and connections you can make per tower…and only so many towers you can put up when the cost of the tower and upkeep stop making sense for a FOR PROFIT company.
If you in a small town or something, where there isnt much demand…ok. But 80% of the poplulation live in or near major metro areas. If all those people all start streaming 1080p video from youtube or netflix or whatever, I dont care who you are….Verizon, tmobile, Att, or Sprint, the network WILL come to a crawl.
It doesnt matter what the phones we have are all 1080p or even 2k. The screens are 6″ at most. All that detail is going to waste due to the size. 720 or less is reasonable. I dont need super high def video to watch a trailer or funny video on youtube or to watch a random episode on netflix while im on the train. I DO care about it being high def at home, in my landline connection on my 4k tv and surround system.
They arent just doing this to get more money out. They are using the money as a ‘block’. If you spend the money great, you get what u want and they get some extra money. But most people wont dish out for the higher tier just to get untrottled video. So it causes bandwidth to stay lower.
Tmobile is fast cause they dont have near the amount of people or strain on their network…if you put the same number of people on theirs as Verizon, guess whats gonna happen to their speed?
Im glad that the company is keeping OVERALL network speed a priority. Not just for the sake of advertisement or bragging but for the general phone use for the majority. Id rather have 480-720p video only and have my web browser, misc apps, navigation, etc… all work faster when i need them, than have uncapped video and I cant navigate, use my apps or what not.
Cause guess what folks…while data/speed caps on cable/fiber is BS money grabs, on wireless its not. There is only so much bandwidth..and only so many towers…and the simple response of ‘well..ugh…why dont they add more towers..?” isnt an answer either….those cost money to build and maintain. Sure they can build more…but you think they will eat the cost out of being nice?? NO! They will pass it to us. So higher prices.
So that it folks. Those are you options.
1. Throttled video but faster network for the 90% of the time people use their phones for things other than video and lower prices.
2. Unthrottled video, same price, but slower network where great you have higher quality BUFFERING video…
3. unthrottled video, more towers to handle them, higher plan costs to offset the cost of building and maintaining those towers.
I’m good with number 1. Low price…faster network for the 90% of the time I’m using my phone that isn’t video…and acceptable quality for the 10% when i do.
Great points. However While CAPS on data on a hard line are BS, limits to bandwith speeds there are also in the future for the same reasons you mentioned. if 100 people in my apartment are all pulling down 100 megabit at the same time, it makes sense that we all slow down a little for the 101’s person without adding more hardware. I’ve had cable before, every night from 7 pm – 9 pm internet speeds would tank it was the most annoying thing ever. I have fiber now and its faster, but I realize that there are even limits to that without massive expenses.
Very true…in the end both of our points hold true in that people cant get their cake and eat it too…there has to be compromise. You cant have unlimited quality/data, fast network AND low prices. At most you can have 2 of the 3..never all 3.
Aside from the fact that they’ve been offering that for a decade or more, most people would be happy with the ability to have unlimited quality, even for an extra fee, but they’re not offering that. The only way to make use of the phone’s capabilities is to not use their network at all.
I’d actually rather than take away video capability altogether and give a big price discount than to limit the quality for the same price. As it is lately, they take away capability but never reduce the price.
Umm.. Actually they do. If you want full video… Don’t get unlimited. Their normal tiers offer full quality. And the new unlimited plan IS actually cheaper than their old grandfathered unlimited plan which didn’t throttle. They took away and lowered price.
How are they allowing unthrottled video? I only see a max of 720p which seems pretty throttled to me. If they let users pay like an extra $10-$15 per month to get 1080p then maybe your argument would make more sense but not at 720p on a mobile device being the maximum video quality.
huh? the point was those are the practical options that could be available , whether they are offered or not.
What people want….unthrottled video, fast network, low price will NEVER be an option or practical
But they’re not offering unthrottled video at all, even for an increased price, which was Ryan’s point that you missed. As Ryan said, if they offered an option for 1080p video for an additional cost, it wouldn’t be as bad, but they’re simply not even offering that. They’re saying that you’re not allowed to have anything better than 720p video on your QHD phone. And if you think you can’t tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 6″ screen you might need new glasses. I can easily tell the difference when trying to read text in videos. Anything below 1080p is difficult to read. The phone was designed at QHD and they’re telling us the best we can have is 1/4 of that resolution…in other words, their network can’t support the capabilities of the phones they sell.
That’s the point! No one’s can. Why do you think they ALL throttle. Even if a smaller carrier doesn’t, soon as their network usage numbers go up from more customers they will start. The point is they aren’t doing it out of greed… Or at least not just greed. Their are actual legit reasons that are both technology and practicality based.
And your phone uses that qhd screen for more than just video so don’t make it out like that’s why we have qhd screens. The higher resolution makes less jaggies in text… Better photos too. And you can still see 1080p or more if your on wifi or download local content like Netflix, Hulu and Amazon, and YouTube all allow now.
Exactly, I done a number of online video courses and when the resolution begins decrease the text is the first thing that becomes hard to watch. Could I also bring along a tablet and stream to it in 1080p? Sure I guess so but then I’m hauling around a tablet and my phone to do what I could previously do with just my phone. I just checked the new plans against my current plan and the 480p version would be $9 less a month and the 720p version is like $20 more than my plan. Which means new customers are getting a worse deal than when I switched to their previous unlimited plan. This just ridiculous for any new customers.
“They arent just doing this to get more money out. They are using the money as a ‘block’. If you spend the money great, you get what u want and they get some extra money. But most people wont dish out for the higher tier just to get untrottled video.”
I wasn’t talking about whether or not people were getting unlimited/unthrottled. I was asking what you meant by the above quote. They don’t have say an ultra-unlimited-unthrottled for 1080p on a mobile device for $15 more a month. They are capping mobile at 720p and tablets at 1080p. That’s what I was getting at, the fact that customers on Verizon’s network will no NEVER be able to view 1080p on their mobile devices with these new plans regardless of how much they spend.
I’m on Verizon Prepaid. I want to ditch them so badly for us Cellular or T-Mobile but US Cellular is more expensive, T-Mobile’s coverage is VERY spotty at it’s absolute best in my area, and Sprint/AT&T have NO coverage in my area. Fml
What location, sir?
Fraser, Iowa. Also known as the middle of nowhere
Yup, that’ll do it. Seems like an enterprising entrepreneur would build some radio towers and sell to the highest bidder… Sorry, man.
So, try moving out of the middle of nowhere.
Also, what about iWireless? When I was in DBQ, I was roaming off them and their speeds were decent. T-Mobile is basically non-existent in Iowa because of under-the-table noncompete agreements.
Us Cellular has horrible data speeds, but they do work in the boonies.
I’m hoping to get ahold of a Pixel or Nexus here soon so I can use Project Fi. That way I can at least make calls at home off US Cellular and then Sprint)TMO/WiFi when I’m out and about
This is the switch I just made 3 weeks ago: Was on Verizon prepaid for years, on a Pixel, hopped over to Fi. It’s been a bit spotty in my house in regards to text message consistency (picture texts fail to send maybe 25% of the time, and sometimes recipients don’t get every one of a split-up SMS), but coverage has been surprisingly good out on the road where I live. I always thought that would be their weakness compared to Verizon. I just need to talk to Fi’s support team with my text problem before I’m sold.
I wasn’t aware that u.s. cellular had partnered up with project fi. That sounds like a pretty good plan though for where you’re located.
I hate to say this but, my brother has project-fi and when he came to where i live he had to use my wifi to do most of his calling and internet usage. He told me he regretted leaving VZW because even in where he lives VA there are spots that have no service right in his town.
Yes Verizon, where should I bend over and cough? Oh yeah I do that every time I pay you each month.
I fully expect this comment to get buried because of the pure hatred of the greed here by VZW (and rightfully so), but when you say “moving forward, HD video on all legacy plans will also match Beyond Unlimitedβs HD quality”, does that mean any plan? If you’re not on Unlimited plans, are you getting throttled as well?
Was wondering the same thing.
If you are not unlimited you don’t get throttled cause they want you to hit your cap so you hit the 128 kbps regular throttle instead, or overages if applicable not sure if any plans there still have those.
T-Mobile is probably laughing their way to the bank, big moneybags in their eyes, feeding off the frustrated Verizon users. I can only imagine the company meeting @ Verizon when they made this decision. Um lets see here our customer base has been pretty comfy lately and we aren’t losing people like we use, so lets go ahead and screw everyone on our network over and put tons of restrictions on Unlimited Plans oh and as a bonus limit video streams on phones to 480p make them take the top plan to get 720p…..Oh Verizon how your pendulum swings these days….One award you guys should really be up for is who can piss off the most people in one day….ding ding we have a winner!!!!
My unlimited contract with Verizon ends in a couple of months. Would Cricket unlimited plan be a good option for cheaper?
I switched my parents and brother to that when their contract ended. They have no issues and are saving $$
Any impact on straight up hotspot / home broadband devices regarding these changes? Rural customer checking in.
This is my breaking point. They’ve found it.
Their network can’t handle anymore than 720p anyway. I’ve been testing it everywhere I used to get speeds on avg. 20-30 mbs. These days 5mb down is the fastest anywhere I travel.
I used to get 200+ where I’m sitting now. now i’m getting less than 100 π
Poor you ???? only 100mbps
I know right! Now when I go home, 6 miles away from here it’s normally less than 10 megabits.
In my experience, T-Mobile has dramatically faster network speeds. 20-50mbps can 5-15mbps.
Agreed, they have become garbage.
This sucks. completely. I put up my grandfathered unlimited in May of this year to save $20 bucks a month to get a third line for my daughter, I got the new unlimited. it’s working out for us though. Its very difficult to accept the fact that they are giving us candy and now taking some away.
However, that being said, I (personally) have never bought into an unlimited data plan with the frame of mind that it also entitled me to unlimited anything else. Speed … quality … bandwidth, all separate things from data buckets.
100GB of 1080p video data on 4G speeds == 100GB of 720p video data on 3G speeds. (Where 100GB in both statements represents the unlimited data allotment they agreed to with you.)
In a round about way, that’s what we are complaining about. The assumption that “unlimited data” entitles you to “the fastest speeds”, or in this case highest quality of video data. They aren’t turning off your data! That part is unlimited!
I realize that’s a very non-traditional way of thinking in this community, but I can’t be the only person in this community that has experienced this train of thought. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
They could probably take some of those billions they have in profits and bolster networks in high-congestion areas to maybe reduce the need for throttling. But I also recognize they can’t support “UNLIMITED 4G” for every customer 24/7…and that if they do clear up bottlenecks, that some regular high-use customers my just eat up that additional bandwidth.
I have a 2k phone… Most of the time I stream in 480p anyway just to get it to go faster. Now and then I want to see full resolution. Until last year my home internet wasn’t even fast enough to stream a 4k stream so LTE is all I had.
“Verizon is reserving the right to throttle your general data usage at any time, should you run into βtimes of congestion.β” this line is interesting to me. I guess I see that as just the bandwidth limitation of the cellular tower, no different than cable internet at your home. You all get a node, share it as you can. I’m a realist and know that every single tower doesn’t have a 100gb/s connection too it. I’m also not a super heavy user by any stretch. I use less than 10 gb / month since I went unlimited.
While I can understand your view doesn’t this move kind of work counter to their own slogan and marketing saying, “We’re fast and we deliver
consistently fast speeds in more places than any other network.” Ok, well what’s the value of having a fast connection if you cannot use all of the services available at those speeds? It’s not the end of the world if I get video at 480p but why should I continue to pay Verizon additional money for the same video speed that I could get from Tmobile?
I know coverage has been an issue but the last 2 trips we’ve taken so SoCal and Las Vegas had TERRIBLE speeds with Verizon, we couldn’t stream video half the time if we had wanted to. I hadn’t planned on changing carriers because I’ve been with Verizon for over a decade but I’m definitely going to seriously consider my other options because I will not pay more for the same speeds as competing vendors.
Come on T-MOBILE, catch the hell up already…..
What if you VPN? Can they throttle you then?
Using a VPN was confirmed to work for YouTube when they were doing their testing.
So gotta wait until tomorrow to see if it still works. Then you get into what if Verizon finds out you’re using a VPN and blah blah
Data should be treated as data. Period. I hate this crap.
I have the really old unlimited plan, back from the Motorola Droid days. Is there any reason to keep it? I used to keep it for free unlimited hotspot, but that doesn’t work on my GS8. Any reason to keep this plan?
At this point in time, no. I had been clinging to grandfathered unlimited plan from 2006 or so and I finally dropped it in Feb when the “new” unlimited plans came back.
In fact, you might as well just drop VZW at this point in time unless you get a good discount through your employer or absolutely need their coverage.
Only reason I am still with them is for the 21% discount on the 5gb plan. Otherwise would have been gone months ago.
You don’t get throttled after 22 GB.
And you can still active the hotspot, just gotta jump through some hoops.
I worried about this as well. But I’ve surpassed 22GB each month since May with my 3 lines, I’ve not experienced any throttling b/c of it. This new video quality thing, it’s throttling but not the same as they said you’d get if you hit 22GB AND you were in a congested area.
You do get throttled. I can confirm this. 2 separate Verizon reps confirmed it when I called to complain about slow speeds. BUT!! They said, “it’s not as bad as the other plans though.”
Funny because a rep told me that because I’m on the legacy unlimited I’m not throttled.
And its been reported before back in February that grandfathered users aren’t throttled. So you might just be in a congested area or now you know why they’re throttled video π
legacy unlimited is currently not throttled, just checked
I pay $181/mo for two lines on the old grandfathered 700min unlimited data plans with a 22% employer savings. I just ran through the process to switch to the BeyondUnlimited plan and it says that the new monthly cost will be $177… that’s $4/mo savings. No reason for me to switch.
I work for Verizon and I’m pissed. I cannot justify a reason anymore to handle a call or anything to keep a customer. It’s 2017. People stream things. Alot! Hopefully enough backlash will make them change it up for the better.
Don’t worry, they will just introduce a series of new scripts for you to recite to customers on why they don’t “need” anything more than DVD quality because of the small screen sizes on mobile devices etc.
Time for me to buy a 256gb microSD card and load it up with high-bitrate movies!
Lol I guess so lol
I used to work for AT&T and it was like living in a medieval kingdom. What will King Ralph do to screw over customers this week? And just pay us a crappy hourly wage to bear the brunt of customer umbrage.
+1 for the use of umbrage.
I can stream 4K+ video if I want to on my unlimited 4G plan here in the UK. And that’s with the smallest carrier in the country (excluding MVNOs). And their 4G infrastructure is way behind Verizon. So Verizon really has no excuse here.
Verizon’s 4G LTE network wasn’t built to handle unlimited data with as many users that it has.
#BOGGEDDOWN
They should probably stop telling lies about how good it is then.
You’re also comparing apples and planet-sized oranges here. Texas alone could eat a good chunk of Europe. Keep in mind that’s only one of the fifty states that Verizon covers. https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/enhanced/webdr02/2012/11/16/17/enhanced-buzz-30741-1353103917-14.jpg?downsize=715:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto
That said, I’m not going to pretend for a second that Verizon’s issues aren’t primarily caused by greed and absolute disdain for their customers. I’m about at my breaking point with them, to the point that I’m considering breaking contract and paying ETF.
Yeah but Verizon has more customers than the entire population of the UK so it should have the monetary resources to cope with a larger geographical area than the smallest UK provider.
“That said, I’m not going to pretend for a second that Verizon’s issues aren’t primarily caused by greed”
Except the UK has a population density more than 7x that of the US, meaning there is 7x as much land area for the same population size. Providing enough bandwidth for a dense area is difficult, but doable, whereas covering land area is much more difficult. You can’t cover an area without having towers nearby. 40x the land area means 40x the towers.
You guys got consumer rights in Europe. Americans get thrown to the wolves.
Smiles, knowing Verizon is in the rear view.
I guess it no longer makes sense to hold on to my grandfathered Unlimited Plan. Hopefully T-Mobile or Samsung announces a Note8 deal like BOGO so I can take my whole family to T-mobile.. I know, T-mobile does it as well but at least they allow you to pay for the priviledge of 1080p.
This is the best way for them to keep current subscribers, as well as lure new ones in from carriers alright… *rolls eyes* /s
Time to say Goodbye to big red forever.
That sucks. I went ahead and changed my plan. I’ll just take the $4 savings at this point.
I’m on the 700 min Unlimited Family Plan from about 12 years ago. Damn bastards
That’s what I had, too.
Me too… Is there any reason to keep this plan anymore? It’s much more expensive than getting the new unlimited.
They’ve never mentioned throttling on this ancient plan and I use about 40gb per month. That’s the only reason
They said they’re gonna throttle video to 720p on legacy unlimited plans, but no mention of throttling in general.
I recently (this past May) made the jump from the grandfathered unlimited to the new unlimited. With the new unlimited, they reserve the right to throttle you to 3g speeds after 22 gb in a month during periods of congestion. So far, none of us (there are 4 of us on the account) have noticed any throttling, even after exceeding that 22 gb mark. In my opinion, it’s worth making the move, especially since all users are now subject to this 720p rule. I’m saving about $150/mo now, with no noticeable impact to my speeds. A few weeks ago, I pulled in over 200 mbps download speed.
I have not seen that the grandfathered feature 29.99 or 49.99 is included in this
It says legacy plans, that includes all plans that are no longer available.
No, it states the grandfather Verizon unlimited which is yesterday’s unlimited…not unlimited email and web sfos
This video streaming cap affects all plans with Verizon..new, old, grandfathered, etc. As someone who has remained on a tiered plan (by choice to keep company discounts) I’m pretty pissed off. This is all just setting the stage for when 5G rolls out, Verizon can charge you even more to be able to get 1080p+ exclusively through tiered 5G plans and keep the unlimited data plans restricted to 4G and 720p. I can see it now…buy a 5G capable phone but want an unlimited plan…only 4G speeds for you!
I agree but the time for them to switch that over was during the initial 5G rollout or shortly thereafter. This move just SMACKS of greed, arrogance, and laziness, not to mention their reluctance to put a dime into beefing up their LTE network with the looming 5G transition. What a shady, s****y move on VZW’s part. I was actually pleased as I could be switching from grandfathered unlimited to the “new” 22GB cap unlimited back in Feb or whenever that was. I am not furious and ready to jump ship.
Im on a month to month anyway…..seems like it might be time to see what Tmobile can do for me. Anyone in North Jersey got Tmobile? Just curious what their network is like here.
I’m in Central PA and T-Mobile so far has been good. Speed, coverage and voice quality have been way better than Verizon that’s for sure. Not to mention the price!
Yeah, but im in North Jersey, this is Verizon’s home turf for the most part. I use my phone for work a lot i need steady reliable lte. Ironically, some of the worst data coverage verizon has is near its NJ headquarters in Basking Ridge, data cuts out, calls drop. Mind you that is near a cluster of exceedingly wealthy towns (corner of morris and somerset) so no one wants a tower there and they have the money to keep it from happening. Plus…..giant swamp that is part of a national wildlife refuge.
What part of Central PA? I live in Carlisle, but frequently drive through Perry County and through Southern Cumberland County. I am able to get great signal almost everywhere but my girlfriend on T-mobile has frequent lost signal.
I live close to Lancaster but I work in Harrisburg, signal has been great so far. Can’t confirm towards Perry County tho, I rarely drive that way. I will drive to Toronto in a few weeks so that’ll be the big test for them.
Thanks for the information
I’m in Central Jersey and switched from VZW to Tmo earlier this year. I’ve noticed very little dropoff in cell coverage, and I’m only paying $80 for 2 unlimited lines and a free third hotspot line after the promos they had this year. Plus being on GSM now opens me up to much more phones.
yeah, i think im waiting to see what plans they have. My phone isnt even a year old, plus its an unlocked world edition so i just need a sim card and i can switch.
How long before T-Mobile offers a 1080p Unlimited data deal for Verizon users?
I see that happening very soon haha
That would be sweet, im month to month, with an unlocked phone that will work on tmobile. Could use a 10-15 buck a month savings.
I’m currently in the process of buying a house so I can’t have any credit checks before the closing, but as soon as that happens I hope that TMo has that option. I even talked to someone today that they will pay off my current phones (which I apparently get to keep) and have to sign up for a phone payment plan. I’ll be getting 2 crappy Revvl phones that will never be activated and will be using my PXL and wife’s VZW S7E on it as soon as I can.
“Hello T-Mo? What do I need to do to change my plan?”
I was with Verizon from back when I had a bag phone with Cellular One. I stuck with them even though I was paying through the nose. Tried to hang on to my original unlimited plan as long as I could take it.
Finally couldn’t take it any longer and made a switch. Went from over $250 a month for 5 lines to $140 for 4 on an unlimited plan. Not only did I save money but my speeds and service are better than they were with Verizon.
I am happy I left.
They are making so much money they laugh all the way to the bank. They don’t miss my 5 lines in the least.
720p… What a joke. Their oh so great network couldn’t handle unlimited, so now they’re back tracking… And half assing while trying to save face… Ridiculous.
Let this sink in… You’ll NEVER be able to watch anything above 720p on VZW ever again. And they’re charging you the same.
But VerizonUp!
In many ways, they are or likely will be charging you more! The Unlimited plan was $80 and now the closest thing to it they still offer is $85 w/restrictions…what a joke.
Fackwors. That is all.
unlimited plans are fine if you just have 1 line. 3 lines = $180 just for data. screw that.
I was wondering why it was taking you so long to write this article, Kellen. Now I know why. I can tell by reading it you feel just as pissed about it as a lot of us do.
I just hope John Legere takes MASSIVE advantage of this announcement. Because VZW deserves to take one squarely between the legs for this dick move and see a massive exodus of users to T-Mo in the next few quarters.
And the return of (optional) 2yr contracts with NO device subsidy is just horrendous. People are still clamoring that their option of a new $99 subsidized handset every 2 years went away and I see folks hanging on to ancient handsets as a result.
you realize tmo has no room to talk right? They throttle to 480p unless you pay more…
Any mention of corporate discounts yet?
thats what was wondering
Have not heard yet. We’ll know when they post all the FAQ tonight.
Yea, that was rather annoying when I finally upgraded from my grandfathered unlimited plan to the current unlimited…. Lost my corporate discount. So all in all it cost about $5 more a month then my old plan but I don’t have to buy my phone out right anymore…
I did the exact same thing going from my grandfathered unlimited to the Unlimited plan. Thanks for the screw-job Verizon!!
Call them and get back to us.
I hate Verizon as much as anybody, but can someone do the math on what distance you would need to be from your phone in order to distinguish a 1080p stream vs. a 720p stream on a 5.5″ display? I’m just curious.
This depends largely on viewing distance. At a distance of 2 feet, 300 DPI resolution is considered the benchmark. 1280×720 (720p) resolution would give you 267 DPI effective resolution on a 5.5″ screen @ 2 feet. Of course, this implies your screen is a 16:9 ratio. With many screens going to something closer to a 1:2 ratio, that means black bars on the sides when viewing. So, a 5.5″ screen could effectively be more like a 5″ screen when watching video due to the bars. At 5″ effective screen size with 720p resolution, you have an effective DPI of 294 DPI. At 1080p, you’d get 401 DPI effective with at 5.5″ and 441 DPI effective w/ 5″.
TL,DR from 2 feet+ away, the majority of people wouldn’t notice the difference. Closer than 2 feet and most people will.
Viewing a video on a phone from 2 feet away is unnatural. Viewing a video from 1 foot or less is more natural. And yeah I agree people will notice a difference. Having a phone with a QHD display and being limited to half of the display’s capability when viewing videos on the network is BS.
Well, Verizon just got what they were looking for. I just ditched my grandfathered unlimited plan for the new unlimited plan. I was getting constantly throttled already anyway. It’s nice to save $50 a month. In a year that’s pretty much a new phone.
Same boat.
So much for net neutrality, eh? “Pay us more money so you can get better data quality”!
F-you, Verizon. F-you.
But still capping you at 720p.
Not sure why DL is censoring my comments.
I love the chat handle – The Doctor!
Wait, let me get this straight…. So the unlimited plan I signed up for and left at&t for a few months ago is going to be throttled as well?
Boom! You got it!
That’s your payment for leaving the blue death Star. Yay you!
Looks like I’m going back to AT&T.
Throttling video bitrate/resolution in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing. In times of heavy network congestion, it makes sense to let 40 people watch a 480p stream rather than 10 do a 1080p stream (or more likely none at all).
BUT, there’s no reason to throttle all the time when there is no network load. Also, don’t pretend like you’re a real alternative to broadband internet service, as the FCC wants to claim for you. And most of all, don’t increase your prices and institute the above.
Maaaaaaan…. π
All Verizon’s legacy plans will get the Beyond streaming limits”.. Legacy meaning the S, M, and L plans as well, every single kind of plan on Verizon?
It could actually mean that, yes. They don’t specify unlimited, they say all legacy.
“Moving forward, HD video on all legacy plans will also match Beyond Unlimitedβs HD quality.”
If so, it could actually help with the data limits, but at the price of video quality.
Glad I’m on T-Mobile though.
Glad I bailed a few months ago. Their spin, and struggle to keep up, are truly above all others.
Argh…
“We’ve started losing customers and our competitors have been growing. Lets offer out customers a decent deal and see how that works. What’s that? No losses this quarter? Awesome. Back to nickel and diming our customers, because we don’t learn.”
This quote is somewhere between flat out made up and totally accurate.
Pretty sure I read that somewhere as well, probably in an official capacity.
Can you write a post comparing grandfathered unlimited with the new unlimited? Is there really any difference anymore since grandfathered will be throttled too? Though they don’t mention any throttling on grandfathered for non-video usage or tethering, I wouldn’t be surprised if they throttle that too.
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That’s a great summary of what was probably an actual Verizon corporate email.
One of the most probably accurate statements I’ve heard in awhile.
Yeah, we just got 600,000+ new customers, all right, awesome! Time to screw them all.
They only make $120 Billion a year., And for four years they made it TAX FREE. So they probably invested in their infrastructure, oh no they didn’t, they took all that tax free cash and bought back Vodafone stake giving them 100% ownership again for $130 Billion in Cash.
But all the billions in profit every year they use to invest some of it in infrastructure, nope goes into the deep pockets.
Corporations make more money on a broken system than fixing it at every turn everywhere, just ask all the bought and paid for Republicans who serve the 1%
I assume, by “legacy” you don’t mean grandfathered
Pretty sure that’s exactly what is meant.
Eh, my understanding is we’re all getting throttled.
Those bastards.
All unlimited plans are equal, but some are more equal than others.
#SprintFTW
Sprint has the best nationwide Airave coverage.
When Sprint offers anything over .05 mbps down in my area, and more than 1 cubic foot of coverage for the whole town, I’ll consider trying them again.
Lmao ain’t good the truth
Agreed- depending on where you are, their coverage isn’t great/non-existant. They cast their lot with WiMAX and got burned. Then they thought sponsoring an auto racing circuit would generate revenue. Spoiler alert- it didn’t. Out of curiosity- where are you? Presumably away from a city and interstate?